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[dmmcintyre3]

(06-09-2011 08:19 AM)coinonymous Wrote:  

(06-08-2011 12:12 PM)dmmcintyre3 Wrote:  @coinonymous
FreeVPS.us runs on a KVM VPS with 256MB RAM and it's using less than 50mb and it's going to be dropped to 128mb in 2 days.

Really. Does it run a RHEL5-ish kernel? For whatever reason, the Pritell guy only offered what claimed to be centos5.6-i386 net-install media (by way, I mean, of RedHat systems). However their installer always failed installing the first package (stunnel) after calculating dependencies (the step where anaconda does all the package installs and the operator can go watch TV or something for a a while). Dunno, rhel net installs have always been kinda fussy so maybe I was doing something wrong or he has a broken proxy or something.

I gave the centos installer 512mb swap.

(06-09-2011 08:19 AM)coinonymous Wrote:  

(06-08-2011 12:12 PM)dmmcintyre3 Wrote:  @coinonymous
FreeVPS.us runs on a KVM VPS with 256MB RAM and it's using less than 50mb and it's going to be dropped to 128mb in 2 days.

I don't see how you can possibly fit a kernel image and httpd + php into 128mb these days... I'm impressed. Did you have to build everything custom to squeeze it all in? I'm assuming you're running an i386 kernel?

I know one can carve out really tiny slices for openvz instances but I always presumed KVM needed way more -- guess maybe I was wrong!

Ram use on OpenVZ is usually higher when running more than just the basic sshd+crond+syslog, as OpenVZ limits ram use based on what the apps running on your VPS allocate instead of use.
http://freevps.us/ovzmem.txt - 3 VPSs running on a server, and one is "using" more ram than the server running them. Also, I don't use apache.

[iCarrot]

Dmm, where did you buy your KVM VPS? I'm considering to buy one if the price is affordable.

Is KVM often more expensive than OpenVZ?

[dmmcintyre3]

Hostigation.com's 128mb KVM VPS is $3/month which is what I'm using.

[coinonymous]

(06-09-2011 09:00 AM)dmmcintyre3 Wrote:  I gave the centos installer 512mb swap.

Yeah swap is your friend in VPS'es. My belief is that in teeny tiny VPSs like these, all of your "swap" is actually cached in RAM in the HN 95% of the time. So, within reason, you can allocate more ram to your VPS just by increasing swap. However, I haven't really tested this theory very carefully.

For KVM VPS'es where you have the ability to install your own kernel, IMO, you definitely want zram.ko (actually I think it's pretty good to have this everywhere you can get it unless you are sure you never swap).

(06-09-2011 08:19 AM)coinonymous Wrote:  Ram use on OpenVZ is usually higher when running more than just the basic sshd+crond+syslog, as OpenVZ limits ram use based on what the apps running on your VPS allocate instead of use.
http://freevps.us/ovzmem.txt - 3 VPSs running on a server, and one is "using" more ram than the server running them. Also, I don't use apache.

heh.

Maybe free only tells you the memory usage in vz0 (hn)? That seems pretty retarded though. TBH I never use free because it always seems to lie. In general I find it pretty difficult to get linux to give me any straight answers about memory usage. I sort-of trust the info in /proc/[pid], but even there, I'm not sure how, i.e., interprocess sharing of .so code segments factors into the totals. Overall linux memory model is not simple and IMO you largely have to rely on subjective factors to figure out when you are memory-constrained.

[f8ll]

(06-09-2011 08:19 AM)coinonymous Wrote:  I don't see how you can possibly fit a kernel image and httpd + php into 128mb these days... I'm impressed. Did you have to build everything custom to squeeze it all in? I'm assuming you're running an i386 kernel?

It isn't as hard as you think. Nothing has to be custom built either. You just need to make sure only the stuff you need is running.

(06-10-2011 12:12 AM)coinonymous Wrote:  Maybe free only tells you the memory usage in vz0 (hn)? That seems pretty retarded though. TBH I never use free because it always seems to lie. In general I find it pretty difficult to get linux to give me any straight answers about memory usage. I sort-of trust the info in /proc/[pid], but even there, I'm not sure how, i.e., interprocess sharing of .so code segments factors into the totals. Overall linux memory model is not simple and IMO you largely have to rely on subjective factors to figure out when you are memory-constrained.

The linux memory model is definitely confusing compared to other systems. Even load averages are confusing and don't always give a good indication of anything. However, they are both basically guidelines. They are the best you are going to get and you have to use them as such.

free does not just tell you the memory usage of vz0. It would be retarded if it did. I'm not a fan of free either though because you can't control all the ram in that total. I prefer top (actually htop ; ) so I can see the virtual, residential, and shared mem used by each process, which you generally have some kind of control over. btw the shared mem is the amount of memory used by the process in IPC.

[coinonymous]

Well I have another update. This is a kind of clarification and correction of my previous review. Pritell PM'ed me on this forum after my review above and we have had a cordial exchange since then.

Basically he offered to chat via IM (presumably, to extend some kind of olive branch or explain what his requirements would be to reinstate my account). I didn't take him up on that because I still haven't figured out how to IM anonymously yet, but I definitely did appreciate his follow-up.

Also, he mentioned that he thought some of the stuff in my email was not fair. For the record, he's correct, most of the stuff in my e-mail was intended to illustrate, by way of example, why I found his e-mail frustrating, and was meant tongue-in-cheek.

To be clear, although in my frustration, the thoughts certainly did cross my mind, I did not mean to state as literal "facts" that he is running a honeypot, that his VPS was oversold, or that he was an "asshole."

I did mean it, at the time, when I said i felt that he seemed to have some ethics problems. However, in retrospect, his willingness to discuss the matter calmly despite my fairly inflammatory post makes me think I was wrong about that, and that he might well be a pretty fair guy.

Maybe this is a downside of anonymity: it apparently brings out the troll in me

[f8ll]

(06-12-2011 05:19 AM)coinonymous Wrote:  Maybe this is a downside of anonymity: it apparently brings out the troll in me

Unfortunately it has a tendency to bring the troll out in all of us.

I wasn't going to say anything earlier but you were acting somewhat like a dick. It's his servers. He has the right to refuse anything to anyone for no reason at all, especially when he is giving away a free service. Even if it does make him come across as somewhat of an ahole.

[RepOseSS3d-KillR]

Aww, sold out.

[boomberman]

I can not register. Anyone know a free server vps asia

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