[IMPORTANT]Shutting Down Of FreeVPS Directory & Discussion!
#51
If anyone's wanting some numbers on post deletions, we have 30 pages of modlogs going back to late january of this year. Each page contains 20 entries. Of course, some of those are mod actions relating to the giveaway, so let's say 25 pages are actual deletions. 25 pages times 20 entries per page equals 500 deletions over the course of less than four months. Four months where the fourm was practically dead, might I add. I wish I could give statistics from when there was more activity here, but I'm afraid the logs simply don't go that far back.
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#52

About community toxicity


I would like to say that "toxic community" isn't a label that generally applies to all members of this community or other communities on the web. With that said please keep in mind that there are always two sides.

In relation to this forum I can so far unfortunately only report from the side or the view of a staff member because when I was a normal member here I didn't experience any real toxicity (leaving the whole story with Grant aside). So in this addition to my previous post, in regards to the new posts by other members, I would like to share my experience here and also about a different forum.


What kind of toxicity did I experience over the years as a staff member here from the community?

Let's start but one thing first, I won't mention any names or point to any content in respect to the people. The described person groups or individuals are mostly banned either way or left long ago.

In the past when I was doing the whole administration myself there were a lot of different members that literally "hated" me for doing my job here. They were not that good at English but this is something I understand and happily accept. Now the bad thing. They kept spamming the forum badly with low quality posts and content that violated the rules like piracy (just one example) and after one or two got mad for getting their spam posts removed... they started to spam threads with pictures that contained extreme gore and pornography/nudity. What else could I do than applying a lifetime ban? I couldn't see how a temporary ban would have helped in this cases.


The other story I can tell about one guy. Years ago a guy joined this forum and started making trouble right from the beginnig. Of course spam was one problem but also content in different languages and links to questionable sites. I removed what was wrong and kept the rest even if the quality was still rather meh. I contacted this user and tried to help by explaining what happened and how he could improve himself. Do you think the guy has listened or accepted any of the suggestions? No, he simply ignored everything. He went on with spamming the forum. I had to remove the posts. He got mad and started spamming topics in his mother language in which he was harassing me with insults.

He was even so dedicated that he made a small page on his website where he posted my information, insulted me even more and invited people to spam me. I actually still receive spam mails in a huge mass til today.


Post quality and activity is one thing that people have mentioned very often in the last days. Let me tell something about this. Til today there are always members that discharge their all posts on a single day within a few hours and disappear for the rest of the month in absolute silence and absence. This is simply a bad thing to do and nothing more. They rush their posts all on a single day... this means a lot less activity through the rest of the whole month. And then people keep wondering about the forum looking dead/inactive.

Another bad thing that happens when this is done. Let's suppose and this is actually something that happened to me often. I replied to some of these posts but never got a reply back because these people never look back at what someone might have replied to their post. You feel ignored and like a joke. Next month they do it again and still ignore your reply to their posts. Is this a good community member to you? Not to me. Sorry.


One more. This community has had (because they left on their own will) some members that knew how to exploit certain things and rules without getting instantly caught. Sooner or later however we always managed to catch up to them and observe over a few weeks or months before doing something. Working like detectives basically, right? Anyway. Here is the more interesting part. Once we either notified these people in private and asked to stop the abuse or made a public announcement if we experienced multiple cases at once (WITHOUT any reference or names!)... these people started to twist things around in public to make me or the other staff members look like we're the bad ones.

Always... it has not happened just once, not twice... it happened way more often. In most cases we didn't even issue any warnings or anything else. So we have let them slip over and over giving them chances. What did we get in return? They just did it again or left the forum with one last attempt to make us look bad. I ask again: is this how a good community looks like? Certainly not!


The other side of the coin - other toxic communities with toxic staff

Now let me share my experience as a normal member on a different and well known community. This is how other communities can be and even where staff is being really toxic and support attacks and other bad things.

The forum I am talking about is a well known forum in the world of small VPSs and advertising for them, sharing experiences and knowledge. Most of you probably know the name and might have experienced the toxicity themselves or can tell plenty of stories. On this forum there is a lot of "funny" content being posted and very often it leads to big drama and fights over and over again. So when a drama or fight starts then most members join into it in a very aggressive and biased manner. They start to attack together with others and leave no way for the attacked person to even protect themselves.

Basically said the members act like total savage animals in terms of posting. It happens a lot and often holds on for todays until staff decides to ban the attacked person. Insults and other bad things are common there. There are always a few members who try to help and find a resolution but their posts go down in the mass of attacking posts.

I mentioned before that even staff would take part in the attacks or support them. Let's get to the point. The staff on this forum has changed often over the last years but from being a member to being just a lurker without any active account I experienced how some staff members actively take part in attacks or support them by doing absolutly nothing against them and not even trying to intervene. In addition to that staff very often manipulates topics (title and content) to make the posts look ridiculous or expose them in a very aggressive way.


Another thing I experienced. Former members here and of other communities have started their own forums and even similar services. The funny thing is when I signed up as a normal member with the simply intend to look around, contribute something and help... I simply got banned without having even posted a single post or said something via any other channel. That said the founders of these communities certainly had issues here and therefore left to start their own venture... but why do they act so childish and immature?

If the staff of this forum would be acting in such a matter this forum would have died years ago because many people who are here are also on the other forums and communities would have been banned. We were however not acting so childish and immature. It was and still is totally OK for us if you are on other communities and forums started by former members and competitors and have a service there. You're not going to get banned for that. It's none of our business where else you are taking part in.

We had a few cases in the past where certain key role members have been banned but this cases are in relation to the banned people taking part in criminal activity or supporting criminial activity such as credit card fraud and other fraud. SWN/Subnetweb might ring a few bells. Even in such cases we have let a year or two pass and lifted the bans because the bad sites were gone and no longer a significant danger.


A last comment

I know how it feels being on the staff side and also how it feels being on the side of you the members. I shared a few experiences with you. Some more extreme than the others. I can understand you as our members and I can also understand my current and former staff colleagues. It is often difficult to put oneself in the view of the other and look at things how they see it and with what kind of stuff they have to deal with. The feelings they might have and everything else.

Life is already hard enough as it is so we don't need to make it even more harder. Why can't we all calm down a little bit and be more upright towards each other? The toxicity level is not high but it feels like it is getting higher and higher the more this announcements gets filled with posts. This can still be turned around.


This forum might not offer VPSs anymore but maybe it can be still turned into a library of vast knowledge? Maybe the term ready only is a bit harsh. Some of you who have been on the Discord group might have noticed the discussion between staff and members about find a way to keep the forum up as a normal discussion forum to keep all this knowledge and content alive. I guess for this purpose new staff can be easily appointed after all relevant private information has been removed.

The current server is already pre-paid til Oct 2018 and can still be used until the time comes to move away. It's just that FreeVPS Directory & Discussion won't exist anymore in the form it was known for since 2010.

Peace.


EDIT

If you really want to keep this forum up and active use your chance and talk with the staff on Discord. Prove yourself there. Just my opinion. If you manage to show off that you're able to run this place and keep it alive then maybe the current staff will change their mind on shutting this down completely later.

#53
@deanhills
Yes, @LittleMaster seems to love this place a lot. That doesn't change the fact that what he said was disrespectful. Saying that the staff doesn't have the "courage" to run the forum after everything that happened, I can say that them feeling disrespected has its grounds.
#54
You should at least transfer VPSs and sponsors to Post4VPS if you are still going to insist on shutting down this forum.

This forum died because many VPSs were removed and people posted here just to keep their VPSs and some people posted regularly to increase their score so they could get high spec VPSs. People with 1k+ scores and plus could easily get any VPSs in giveaways, people had to compete so they posted as much as they can, this is why FreeVPS was active until January 2018. Some sponsors left because they were out of business so did people who owned these VPSs. You can't expect people to instantly jump from one VPS to another, there is time and effort required to download and upload backups.

Toxicity, logs, I don't trust giving the forum to another person etc. are just excuses to kill a community that took over eight years to build.

This forum would be alive again if you just restarted with a new forum and the community would eventually come again and start making posts. People will work hard if you let new people apply to become staff.

You can't just expect people to write academic, high quality posts/threads just to keep ~$5 VPSs. More than 99% of people won't bother with that. It is normal for people to make posts on the last day.
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#55
@Goldengate

I'm just gonna quote Monad here:

Quote:If you really want to keep this forum up and active use your chance and talk with the staff on Discord. Prove yourself there. Just my opinion. If you manage to show off that you're able to run this place and keep it alive then maybe the current staff will change their mind on shutting this down completely later.

Being rude to us about this decision (as you have been since your first post in this thread) isn't exactly a great way to show us you'd be able to run this place. In fact, it shows us the complete opposite.

By the way, AFAIK we haven't even been approached about transferring the servers. This is also something the sponsors would have to agree to, as these servers belong to them. You can't just transfer over a sponsored server without their permission. If Post4VPS wants them, they should contact us.
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#56
Quote:You should at least transfer VPSs and sponsors to Post4VPS if you are still going to insist on shutting down this forum.

you seem to have a great misunderstaning of the relationship between a post4host site an its sponsors, @Goldengate. the sponsors generously decided to donate some of their resources under the condition that we managed support for them as much as possible and gave credit where it was due. We can't just up and give the reseller accounts to someone else. That is something the other post4host site would have to negotiate with the sponsor.

Quote:You can't just expect people to write academic, high quality posts/threads just to keep ~$5 VPSs. More than 99% of people won't bother with that. It is normal for people to make posts on the last day.

We never asked for "academic quality posts", but we do have expectations. It was not always normal for people to make all their posts on the last day, though 2-3 on the last day was to be expected. This has changed over the years, especially with other freevps communities having much lower standards, but we do not agree with the change.
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#57
(2018-05-07, 11:45:47 pm)supertanno Wrote:  @Goldengate

I'm just gonna quote Monad here:


Being rude to us about this decision (as you have been since your first post in this thread) isn't exactly a great way to show us you'd be able to run this place. In fact, it shows us the complete opposite.

By the way, AFAIK we haven't even been approached about transferring the servers. This is also something the sponsors would have to agree to, as these servers belong to them. You can't just transfer over a sponsored server without their permission. If Post4VPS wants them, they should contact us.

You probably didn't read my post and just wanted to comment. I never said I am interested in becoming staff, I am only interested in getting a VPS and posting just to get the requirement, this is the whole reason why 99% of people joined this forum.

If you want to shut this forum down, then do it. This just makes the staff toxic (instead of others "we") because they are just willing to destroy a community that is 8 years old. Staff only made excuses just to kill the forum while it still has sponsors, a working forum and staff etc.

You are being rude to us for killing it. We already have a working system.

I was trying to keep it alive by giving ideas, but staff already made their decision.

Thanks while it lasted.

Bye.
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#58
This topic is drawing nothing but negativity, so I'm just going to close it. If you have further questions, feel free to message me. However, the decision has already been made so short of scraping threads and opening a new forum on your own, there is nothing that can be done to change it.
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#59

Update 31st May 2018



Today is the 31st May of 2018 and therefore as announced in the second post of this thread we have removed the VPS request forum with its content fully from the database as well as the private help and support forum.

WARNING: This action has reduced the overall thread and post count of all users as the content as been really delete from the database. It is not a soft delete!

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